Wayne, I never said an off the shelf kit is bad, what I'm saying is their is so much left of the table when running a kit that is also designed to be used with stock geometry all the way to shock location, when the UTV rules are wide open in this area. I get that these kits are built to be bought and used on Rec users UTV's, as that is where the money is to be made. Your a custom cabinet guy, so you understand why your custom cabinets are much better built and designed for a specific kitchen vs Home Depot box kits. And Yes all the top teams are currently using these components, because not very many have ventured out to build a race specific part. I know of a few that are, and I feel this is going to change what some teams run or how they might modify their current suspension components. Why on a trucks 4 link rear end, like the Spec TT you are going to race at San Felipe have the lower shock mounts mounted down into the arm? Why are UTV rear arms still mounting the shocks on the top of the arm? How much leverage have you added to the arm? How stiff of a front spring are the Lone Star guys using? And where did I compare Jimco to Rancho?? I used them as an example of a company that builds race specific parts. BTW Jagged is not running a "Kit" as last time I saw they are having Cutting Edge MFG still build their parts and they do move shock mounts around. Same for Holz, as I'm pretty sure he did a front steer conversion on his car?