SR1 Comments and Concerns

[Ballistic]

Disclaimer:....I did not start this thread....my post was moved to a new thread after my question sparked some debate.

Curious.....does anyone else think that if the SR1's are not consistently faster than the 800cc UTV's that this class will be a disappointment....especially if they are going to race at the same time?

I am building a SR1 Rhino and am looking for constructive ideas to make the SR1 the dominate UTV class.

So far this class is just a old 4wd Race Rhino with a 1000cc motor between the seats.

We all know that the Rhino is not a race car....and only has worked well when raced because of 4wd. The stock Rhino steering set-up/geometry can't be ideal for a 150hp, 2wd, live axle, 80" wheelbase, 1400 lb car with little traction.

Seems like overall traction and forward bite are the main issues......any ideas...bigger...wider tires maybe? Gearing?

Weller has a great concept and I'm sure they are willing to listen to everyone ideas to help the class evolve.....if that means trying new things each race to make this class dominate they should do it.

I am in no way bashing or hating....the SR1's are great and I want to see this class last and dominate.......

I do realize that this is a new class and will have growing pains and that no one really knows how to drive these cars yet...... I also know that if the underpowered Pro-Lites went out and beat the High HP Pro-2's every week that they would not be around long.

Constructive ideas or thoughts????

[freeridemxatv]

Let me be hopefully the first to say good on ya for thinking outside the box. I have been looking into the sr1 swap and would love another perspective. No disrespect to weller as they are doing a great job! But I dont believe for one second that any of the wellers would turn down constructive criticsm. Good ideas and keep them coming.

[dnf736]

Originally Posted by Ballistic

Curious.....does anyone else feel that if the SR1's are not faster than the 800cc UTV's that this class will not be around long....especially if they are going to race at the same time?

I am building a SR1 Rhino and am looking for constructive ideas to make the SR1 the dominate UTV class.

So far this class is just a old 4wd Race Rhino with a 1000cc motor between the seats.....and so far on the track the SR1's have not been as fast as the 800cc UTV's.

We all know that the Rhino is not a race car....and only has worked well when raced because of 4wd. The stock Rhino steering set-up/geometry can't be ideal for a 150hp, 2wd, live axle, 80" wheelbase, 1400 lb car with little traction.

Seems like overall traction and forward bite are the main issues......any ideas...bigger...wider tires maybe? Gearing?

Weller has a great concept and will only help themselves by allowing their class to evolve.....if that means trying new things each race to make this class dominate they should do it.

I am in no way bashing....like I said...I am building a SR1 and I want to see this class last and dominate.......

I do realize that this is a new class and will have growing pains and that no one really knows how to drive these cars yet...... I also know that if the underpowered Pro-Lites went out and beat the High HP Pro-2's every week that they would not be around long.

Constructive ideas or thoughts????

LOL One race in and this guy wants to rewrite the rule book.

My thoughts?? Just finish your car and get to Phoenix for rounds 3-4 there will be at least 3 more SR1's on the track by then, the future will evolve from there.

[Ballistic]

Originally Posted by dnf736

LOL One race in and this guy wants to rewrite the rule book.

My thoughts?? Just finish your car and get to Phoenix for rounds 3-4 there will be at least 3 more SR1's on the track by then, the future will evolve from there.

Sorry but I don't want to rewrite the rule book........I was just looking for constructive thoughts and ideas that could possible help all SR1 owners and builders.

[JoeyD23]

Originally Posted by Ballistic

Oh man....I would love to see Dan drive his SR1 today.....and you are right if he does we will see the true potential of the SR1......he was crazy fast at Speedworld.

I understand the concept of this class (bring new life to old race Rhino's and keep costs down) but I also understood that this was to be the dominate and premier UTV class.
I would also bet this is what Lucas expects from the SR1.

Double the HP should equal better performance in every class.

I heard a little negative feedback from friends that are in LV and were not impressed with the SR1's......they (like I suspect most average spectators) expected the SR1's with 2x the hp to lead and win the race.

I hope they do well today

Welcome to the Site Tom!! Suggestions and ideas are awesome. I think in my opinion we really need to see tracks that can show the crowds what UTV's are capable of. These big tracks are cool, the trophy kart tracks are too small. We need something inbetween with some big jumps to show the crowd what UTV's can do. More door to door racing would make it exciting as well. As it stands now if the big tracks are where UTV's are going to run then we need larger car count, which will occur as rounds progress.

Originally Posted by Ballistic

Sorry but I don't want to rewrite the rule book........I was just looking for constructive thoughts and ideas that could possible help all SR1 owners and builders.

Your thoughts are valid, but lets give the SR1's a few rounds before we formulate too much of an opinion on how the class is run. Double HP and half the traction is what the SR1's have. But you cant discount what Austin, Bobby, Chad, Dan, etc.. have done to get their 800's running the way they do. Those Kawi's and even RJ's RZR can really run!!!

and yes, Weller Racing did build Austins motors. I think you asked that somewhere back....

again welcome to the site, its cool haveing more interested members!! We have the best site in our opinion and like the SR1 it will only get better with time!

[Ballistic]

Originally Posted by AZCourt

I don't think anyone expected the sr1 class up be the premier class. With factory support from Kawasaki and bigger sponsorship money this year the pro class is and always will dominate.

Honestly it never occurred to me and I have talked to no one that didn't think a R1 powered Rhino would easily beat a factory sponsored 800cc UTV weighing the same and only (other than the R1) 4wd being the only other difference.

I doesn't matter how much sponsorship money you receive and spend on a 800cc motor the max you can expect is what 80hp? SR1 150hp...it just didn't compute

If you put a 400hp motor in a Pro-4 and a 800hp motor in a Pro-2 with everything else being equal.......the Pro-2 will win even on a slippery track.

I do believe they will get them dialed in and learn how to drive them and will dominate

[MAGNUM OFFROAD]

I love to see that the 800cc UTV's can hang with the SR1's on the track!!!

I'm a big fan of the true UTV, and still can't wrap my mind around a streetbike powered mini buggy with a couple of Rhino frame rails and a Rhino hood. I just don't get it. I definitley appreciate the power, sound, and excitement, and my hats off to Weller for sure! But at that point is it really still a "UTV"???

Just asking...

[dnf736]

Originally Posted by MAGNUM OFFROAD

But at that point is it really still a "UTV"???

Just asking...

It quit being a "utility" vehicle as soon as you took the bed off.

Also, we are very happy for Gary. Finally, TOP STEP! Way to go GT!

RJ, 2 for 2, congrats as well, that RZR is amazing.

As bummed as I was we couldnt get it together in time for Vegas, with the rain and all I'm kinda glad we didnt make it. Not really but kinda...

Good job to everyone who made the trip. Ill have the car & the boy at Speed World, another SR1 racing to screw things up for the 600 class.. just kidding, we race clean.

[07fj]

congrats gary,

congrats to RJ Anderson on back to back wins.

Don't worry ballistic, if you even think something adverse about the SR1's your automatically a hater. but as time goes on, more people will see they are not as fast as some expected, but still use an old rhino chassis which is better than putting them out to pasture! lol

the SR1's need traction, say cut and grooved 15" tires (DOT type).

and for some, this is not the first race for many of these machines.

the longer the straight aways on the tracks then this will make the SR1 shine, normal tracks, not so much.

I believe John Dempseys Kawasaki set fastest lap time of the weekend on saturday?

[side x side tv]

You hater rog lol jk congrats rj and everyone