International events Australia Offroad rally accepts SXS class.

[66cummins]

wow sxs machine, Way too much negative going on.

[SXS Machine]

Personally I had moved on but since people including committee members are going to hop on I'll re-iterate what is already in black and white and shouldn't have to be re-said.

You tools all back up to the start of the thread and have a real read. Other people were here to just even grant the information a cursory "noted we'll discuss it"

Despite insisting for the whole thread that I wasn't doing the right thing and that I was posting in the wrong spot and I should be following what to do on the ISA website it turns out the website says to come and post here. Nobody's admitted they were evena slightly bit wrong let alone apologised.

In terms of Jeff he only got back the licks he thought he could dish out, great leadership guys a guy who thinks neing a smart arse is the way to win the hearts and minds. So on the point of bickering I didn't start shit but damn I know how to finish. It was actually deserteryx's post at 7 that started any bickering go bite that off.

I gave this information to the ISA to use, use or don't I don;t give a rats but I will say this that all this is the only information following the way to supply information to the ISA. Straight forward instructions. POST IT HERE.

No anger on my part at all certainly frustration and confusion that the simplest of information "WHAT ISA IS GOING TO DO FOR ITS MEMBERS" (my post 5) is nowhere to be found or stated.

Jeffs first post opens with a snyde remark about Viner and honey and he got it back. Stiff shit take it like a man and move on. He reckoned it was already noted for a meeting agenda so where was the say so prior to then since he indicated it was already on an agenda?

And then finally Lasher you ar meant to be on the ISA Committee too and your first post is a cracker, after people only got back what they gave out, have admitted or apologised for being wrong you think you ca slide in and start slinging your far from right. You would think it is fair and reasonable that you try and be complacent after all it had all burnt out.

Let me answer youre ridiculous iterations.

1/ I am volunteer too I volunteered information, people were there to answer other people's points even though the claimed to be busy but go figure. Its the responsibility of the committee to say hey we are ALL away for the week, NOBODY is available if you have an event or information regading one. That wasn't done lcks the professionalism that other people say should be displayed.

2/ I didn't say that nobody said that I'm not sure why you are bringing that up it was settled and at rest and at rest it shall stay.

3/ No where in international does it say your not going to help anyone either and since this is the only posted event outside of the states unless it is stated somewhere that you are not going to assist Australian events I posted it as per instructions. The regs were not yet posted and I made a point of it for the committee's sake so they knew they had an opportunity to influence theregs before posting. So I thought it had some urgency.

4/ I didn't attack anyone who didn't step up first so get your reading glasses right as you are attacking me now so I shall tell you how wrong you are as well its funny you menton flogging a dead horse as this one had stopped in its tracks til your post.

5/ and finally if you read post 5 again as i stated there is no where written by the ISA anywhere what the benefits to members will be and if they took my siggestion that I wrote to Jeff personally many mons ago now and posted what benefits would befall memebers they might have some peoples membership but without it I hink the organisartion will continue to cry poor. I for one wont join it until you write what it is I am meant to benefit from being a paid up member of ISA!!

Its a real disappointment that Jeff hasn't seen fit to pass on that feedback to other members of the committee to examine as to whether that would be a better strategy for attracting members or not. If the committee likes I'll lay that advice out so that they can all read it and check its merit before they decide whether or not they should hop into someone advocating it.

I give you an opportuntiy to show what the committee can do and so far all it has been is a big dose of waaah! Well get over it get on with it make a difference and people may actually get on board!

If people have problem that I may sound angry because I give back better than I get you will always think I'm angry if people step up, but you'd be wrong I don't get angry because Ive already layed it out.

I hope that answers your concerns Mike.

[dnf736]

Wow.

[66cummins]

Guess we are all tools....

[Team Green]

Originally Posted by SXS Machine

In terms of international racing its off and running with the Australian Rally Championship www.rally.com.au announcing today that the ARC will be running a yet to be determined number of rounds that will start in March 1-4 at Calder Park in Melbourne, Victoria Australia.

Other rounds are yet to be selected but the pressure to put the classification together has come from Polaris, Can Am, other 3rd party vendors and organisations who want to run the class at their events including the Australian Safari and Finke, Australia's leading offroad event races.

The regs and sup regs for the races are yet to be announced but the race formats are available http://www.rally.com.au/images/stories/officials_night_190911.pdf

So starts the scramble for national and international sponsorship thenas teams try to gear up to meet the needs to take part in up to 4 national rally meets plus the 2 big desert races a 2 day reverse circuit at Finke and a 5 day thrash and bash in Western Australia the Australia Safari one of the premier lead up events to the Dakar.

Love to have anyone plan a visit (the March event co-insides with the formula one Grand Prix round the next weekend in Melbourne) at the start of the year or any of the events throughout the year with our without racing cars to compete (its only $1000 to send your car out here!)

So be in it and support the ISA! Look forward to the ISA bringing heaps of international sponsors and media to the events.

Gavin,

As the competition director of the ISA I would love to talk with this organization to see what we can do to help them with adding SXS's to their plan. No where in the links can I find contact info for them or the organizers of the Finke (my brother raced this one before on an ATV).

The ISA would love to help any organizer provide a place for UTV enthusiasts to attend. Afterall it is about increased participations and affordable racing.

You mention bringing sponsorship dollars to these events which would be an ultimate goal. Before that can happen we need to prove to the organizers that by using our rule package they have the best possible outcome for increased participation. Once a solid foundation is built and these events become popular then aftermarket and maybe even OE involvment will follow. No one is going to invest money to sponsor and unproven event. For example: Kawasaki would not offer a contingency package or even an event sponsor package if we couldn't calculate our investment advantages in advance. Obviously we could take a blind chance but that would certainly never happen at an event not on our continent.

So, if you could provide us with some contact info for the people that we should be trying to enfluence at these events I would be more then happy to reach out and extend our offer to help try and make the event a success for the SXS community down under.

Regards,

[SXS Machine]

Thankyou ver much Reid for getting back to me in the manner which I think is appropriate for the ISA.

Its very difficult for me even to give you any details of who at CAMS (the ruling body who is responsible for the SXS Regs) in fact I havent been able to find out in many attempts to discuss the Res directly with CAMS and I dont know why they are being so elusive except that a/ I am either just a competititor and cannot have advantage in the rules by unduly influencing them and b/ I am a business and the same reasons. So I apologise I dont have the direct contact.

I would suggest any of these 2 contacts and one is the front door at CAMS CAMS - Confederation of Australian Motor Sport , the organiser I have already asked for a copy of the regs and not yet received ( Any correspondence please email Katie Philps on admin@rally.com.au ) or you could see who say Polaris has been dealing with if someone from ISA knows someone at Polaris to get in contact with the head of Marketing Australia here ( neil.anderson@polarisind.com ). I hope you will have the possibility to inteject the ISA standards and so have people bring a racing car here from any country and know they are going to pass scrutineering.

We havent had the chance to speak in the past so you may not know tha Australia does not have a legacy of racing from before nor does it have a baseline of a heap of Rhino's or Teryx because we have not had any recreational places to use them. So we really have only the introduction of the RZR onwards to deal with in terms of racing categories in reality we would never build up enough to field anything else.

No people will not take a blind chance but these events will not be run in isolation, they will be run in conjunction with other racing categories in the ARC but particularly the 3 events I have mentioned the WRC round at Coffs Harbour, the Finke desert race and the Australian Safari are all internationally televised events and so the Kawasaki's Can Am and Polarii(? lol) of this world I think would have a definite interest in having their name up in lights at these events if not just as Marguee's or say Kawasaki putting some K4's on the ground as stewards transport. Monster energy may be building a desert racing model from the K4 and they may want to bring it to such prestigious events especially the desert & Enduro racing or if not a new car maybe their existing team.

But I believe its the role of ISA to pass on the information of what events are available on the calendar (assuming you can get some influence regs or buy in from CAMS) so that manufacturers and business member of the ISA alike have the opportunity to see where they can invest their money for the biggest return.

Something like the consolidation of the TORC club with several different classes of vehicle making it the biggest racing club in the southern hemisphere maybe very important to OEM and aftermarkets manufacturers. For lower end sponsorship and also knowing where they can do business. The president of the TORC club is Trevor Taylor (tttricky@bigpond.com and phone +61 427 141 796 )

So I see those as the benefits thats can be promoted to businesses within ISA and within the Sphere of influence of ISA having already talked to those companies about producing vehicles that will allow for easier conversion to ISA racing standards to say "here is a full racing series with some world wide TV coverage being run to ISA class XXX".

So the sell may not be as hard as you may anticipate at this time as the sell is not quite as blind as you may have thought (these events can be confirmed by Rally.com.au).

Happy to try and assist further in anyway possible and looking forward to supporting ISA as a member (when the online mebership form is up?)

Thankyou for your response

[Rusty5150]

Originally Posted by SXS Machine

In terms of international racing its off and running with the Australian Rally Championship www.rally.com.au announcing today that the ARC will be running a yet to be determined number of rounds that will start in March 1-4 at Calder Park in Melbourne, Victoria Australia.

Other rounds are yet to be selected but the pressure to put the classification together has come from Polaris, Can Am, other 3rd party vendors and organisations who want to run the class at their events including the Australian Safari and Finke, Australia's leading offroad event races.

The regs and sup regs for the races are yet to be announced but the race formats are available http://www.rally.com.au/images/stories/officials_night_190911.pdf

So starts the scramble for national and international sponsorship thenas teams try to gear up to meet the needs to take part in up to 4 national rally meets plus the 2 big desert races a 2 day reverse circuit at Finke and a 5 day thrash and bash in Western Australia the Australia Safari one of the premier lead up events to the Dakar.

Love to have anyone plan a visit (the March event co-insides with the formula one Grand Prix round the next weekend in Melbourne) at the start of the year or any of the events throughout the year with our without racing cars to compete (its only $1000 to send your car out here!)

So be in it and support the ISA! Look forward to the ISA bringing heaps of international sponsors and media to the events.

Just to want make sure I understand. Was your comment in RED a call to ACTION for the ISA?

Did the ARC decide to allow SXS's to race based on the idea the ISA would bring them big sponsors (or any sponsors for that matter).

I am in no way trying to attack anyone. I read your original post on 11-7-11 and I thought you were celebrating that you would have a place to race. I did not see your post as a call to action.

[SXS Machine]

Hi Rusty

Something of an expectation that it was the ISA's brief to get oinvolved in international racing where-ever and whenever it could to the benefit of the sport as a whole.

Yes the event is going to run anyway and as Ive said in other e-mail and particularly my last post says here is an opportunity for ISA.

That is to present their Regs to an organisation that hasn't yet posted theirs to run for the year and also show businesses why they should be involved in the ISA because they can expand their markets for them by exerting their influence on overseas markets and events and introduce potential events, clubs and teams to sponsor to OEMs and 3rd party manufacturers.

Its actually a bird in the hand for ISA. Heres something annouced but not yet defined, an oppotunity for ISA to present their case for class definitions, then the opportunity to present an event that is going to run/ a club and individual race teams that anyone who wants to make some market penetration can take part in.

Anyone requiring market information is free to pick up the bit of information already in the post to Reid and I can give you some more information as required.

[SXS Machine]

Further to previous announcements here is the promotional video for next years events.

If we get it going for next year this is what it will be in. The Video gets real interesting around 2.10 as the Polaris XP does a little of the prep work to show the ARC the SXS’s can run the ARC courses.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150399406790924

The XP here is and will be driven by Cody Cocker the ex-ARC champion and winner of the Australian round of the WRC.

Just a tickler, this is what you get.

Hopefully ISA, manufacturers both OEM and 3rd party will be interested in having their product on international TV. This is just one of the events for next year the ARC SXS challenge, both Hinke desert race and Australian Safari have their own websites and heaps of footage already available.

Side note is XPs and some RZR'S are already competing in similar events all up and down the East coast of Australia in shorter stage motorkhana events so plenty of people are putting in practice.

If anyone wants further info or interested in bringing a car down for an event like Finke or Australian Safari one fairly andy and one semi-arid country roads, tracks and no tracks at all like Dakar.

Its the inaugural year of racing with the clkass having been declared and I hope its going to be bigger than Ben Hur!!

[SXS Machine]

Originally Posted by Team Green

Gavin,

As the competition director of the ISA I would love to talk with this organization to see what we can do to help them with adding SXS's to their plan. No where in the links can I find contact info for them or the organizers of the Finke (my brother raced this one before on an ATV).

The ISA would love to help any organizer provide a place for UTV enthusiasts to attend. Afterall it is about increased participations and affordable racing.

You mention bringing sponsorship dollars to these events which would be an ultimate goal. Before that can happen we need to prove to the organizers that by using our rule package they have the best possible outcome for increased participation. Once a solid foundation is built and these events become popular then aftermarket and maybe even OE involvment will follow. No one is going to invest money to sponsor and unproven event. For example: Kawasaki would not offer a contingency package or even an event sponsor package if we couldn't calculate our investment advantages in advance. Obviously we could take a blind chance but that would certainly never happen at an event not on our continent.

So, if you could provide us with some contact info for the people that we should be trying to enfluence at these events I would be more then happy to reach out and extend our offer to help try and make the event a success for the SXS community down under.

Regards,

Hi Reid

Have been able to contact CAMS or got any news as to any objectives ISA may have had or have achieved in dealing with either event organisers, Manufacturers or OEM and 3rd party manufacturers?

I believe there has been a ISA Board meeting in the meantime as well at which Jeff said the matter was to be brought up and discussed, what was the discussion about and the outcome of that discussion?

Cheers