neither!Just a clarification: is this 'gay pride' Justin, or 'my race RZR is for sale' Justin. Just check'n.
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Official: 2014 Mint 400 race thread
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I know, right? I just woke up and read my post and thought the same thing! My posts are usually done in the heat of the moment, as their color and content implies. I am still jealous of your username!Wow!
Ha ha! At least you were warned in advance. Like I said before, "total disclosure".
holy cow
regarding the rear ending we received, its all good, it was pretty harsh but i assumed it wasn't meant to be that hard of a hit. We have some rear bumper repairs, but i am not mad. Visibility was about ten feet at best, we were behind a trophy lite truck and were trying to be a little more patient and safe than Marc Burnett apparently.
Ried I'm gonna go out on a limb here....and say J-X nor polaris has anything to do with our poor tracking ability.....its the JUNK IRC system's fault...as a matter a fact we should have won that race in 25 minutes according to the 786mph that IRC has us running
Damn, and I thought 89 was fastas a matter a fact we should have won that race in 25 minutes according to the 786mph that IRC has us running
I dont care who ya are....thats funny right there!!!Just a clarification: is this 'gay pride' Justin, or 'my race RZR is for sale' Justin. Just check'n.
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Badassmav,
As far as IRC tracking goes we have not found them to be consistent in regards to accurate data or even working. Using the tracker as a tool to see your competitors is quite new for most teams. I'm sure only a hand full of teams are doing so. Like you said you knew the X team was ahead of you. Maybe you already do this, I dont know? But an easy way to keep track of your competitors is to do it like it has been done since the start of off road racing. Keep a time sheet in each pit. Log the times each car comes through, and radio to the next pit & race car to let them know how far away you are to the leader, or next car in class ahead of you. With only a 80+ mile course and with 3 pits you should easily be able to keep time on your competitors without using a tracking system.
To say you lost or they beat you because they could see you & you could not see them is probably a stretch. Is there a benefit to using the tracker? Sure, I would see a bigger benefit in a Baja race or a point to point race. But a multiple loop, not so much.
Fact is the Jagged X team is the most winning UTV team with the most support. And as you have said, probably out spends all the teams 10x over. But as Marc knows, this is the case with any class your in.
We dont know what issues the winning team had, if any. But you guys had a flat & some motor issues. In a 200 mile sprint race you cant have any issues. Because at every race there is always the one team that does not and gets a win.
So take your second place at the Mint "200" and move on to the next race. Its not like a win at this race is all that impressive anyways! Its not like it was the "Mint 400"! IMO bragging rights are to be had when you win a race like Vegas to Reno or a Baja 500 / 1000. Those races are full mileage point to point races where logistics are a huge factor on winning. Those are races to be proud of.
Hell I've won my share of races and a Championship. I could care less about them. The only two races I have yet to win are the 500 & 1000 and those are the only two I would really brag about.
BTW I raced the Mint 400 when Snore first brought it back & we finished 2nd to a car that we later found out was a cheater car. Looking back on it, It would have been cool to have the win as we did race all 400 miles, but it still would not mean anything close to a Baja 500 or 1000 win.
As far as IRC tracking goes we have not found them to be consistent in regards to accurate data or even working. Using the tracker as a tool to see your competitors is quite new for most teams. I'm sure only a hand full of teams are doing so. Like you said you knew the X team was ahead of you. Maybe you already do this, I dont know? But an easy way to keep track of your competitors is to do it like it has been done since the start of off road racing. Keep a time sheet in each pit. Log the times each car comes through, and radio to the next pit & race car to let them know how far away you are to the leader, or next car in class ahead of you. With only a 80+ mile course and with 3 pits you should easily be able to keep time on your competitors without using a tracking system.
To say you lost or they beat you because they could see you & you could not see them is probably a stretch. Is there a benefit to using the tracker? Sure, I would see a bigger benefit in a Baja race or a point to point race. But a multiple loop, not so much.
Fact is the Jagged X team is the most winning UTV team with the most support. And as you have said, probably out spends all the teams 10x over. But as Marc knows, this is the case with any class your in.
We dont know what issues the winning team had, if any. But you guys had a flat & some motor issues. In a 200 mile sprint race you cant have any issues. Because at every race there is always the one team that does not and gets a win.
So take your second place at the Mint "200" and move on to the next race. Its not like a win at this race is all that impressive anyways! Its not like it was the "Mint 400"! IMO bragging rights are to be had when you win a race like Vegas to Reno or a Baja 500 / 1000. Those races are full mileage point to point races where logistics are a huge factor on winning. Those are races to be proud of.
Hell I've won my share of races and a Championship. I could care less about them. The only two races I have yet to win are the 500 & 1000 and those are the only two I would really brag about.
BTW I raced the Mint 400 when Snore first brought it back & we finished 2nd to a car that we later found out was a cheater car. Looking back on it, It would have been cool to have the win as we did race all 400 miles, but it still would not mean anything close to a Baja 500 or 1000 win.
I'm not saying that BS is not a stand up guy. I don't even know him. I only realized at SF that there was more than one Schueller! I only know of the reception he and the x guys have or have not extended to us when we entered into this class last year. My postings are not about any one specific person, rather the mindset of the team in general. It possibly relates to even a more personal issue I have with myself than with them. I headed an effort that is doing well, and I want respect for it. I did not intend to have a negative impact when deciding to post in this forum. I instead wanted to expose our car, and the design criteria and decisions that influenced the building of it it, as well as boast a bit about my dwindling skills. About the IRC thing, I know they had a difficult time in acquiring enough units for this event. They told me so when they installed ours in contingency. The fact that the team that is favored to win gets the luck of a broken tracker may or may not be a coincidence. A coincidence that we would have liked to have been bestowed upon us! ("I'm just sayin"). I'm curious if anyone out there knows how many of the tracker units that IRC installed for this years Mint did not work? I know that the car in front of me at the IRC trailer on Friday ( it was an old blue SCORE challenger car that had electrical problems, so said the IRC guy) was NOT allowed to leave the trailer until they could get the tracker working. I assumed, and still do, that it is mandatory to start the race with a working tracker. I make that statement without any knowledge whatsoever regarding the use and operation of said tracking devices in BITD events.
Well put. I agree with most everything except the value of a short distance race win, and the ability to win with enough time to allow for problems during the race. We had a flat tire, broken belt, and poor pit stops, and still won the SF 250 (+/-) with a half hour to spare. Also, with as tragic of a season as we suffered through last year, ANY wins and podiums are huge for us. Marc and I agreed going into the Mint that a podium would be a victory for our car. We go into all Mexico races with the confidence that we have the advantage over even the top teams to win the race because of Marc's driving skills and knowledge of the courses, and the alternative landscape that the Baja terrain offers. We fully expect to win these races, and are blind-sided when we don't. I will not make any more "insinuations" regarding the Mint race than my original post didn't already make. I will however, respond to all threads to said posting if necessary to clarify or defend my words. Thanks for your up front reply.
Good Morning all,
So I thought I would check out the Mint Thread to see some great race reports and instead I come on to find a competitor bashing our team , So My first response was also WOW!.
I have read some of the BAM posts in the past and have just thought Huh.... this guy has a lot of time on his hands.
I do not spend too much time posting here but I feel compelled to respond to these comments that question the integrity of our team.
First to address the tracking issue: We checked in with IRC on Friday morning to pick up our trackers and IRC told us that they did not have trackers for our cars They did not have enough trackers but were working on the problem. We were told to check back with them later in the day. We communicated with IRC all day long and at the end of contingency they still did not have trackers for us. We were told that Casey would make an announcement at the drivers meeting to address this. At the end of the drivers meeting we went to Casey and told him that in fact we still did not have a trackers for either of our cars. Casey's comment was " that's not my problem" At that point we took it upon ourselves to track down IRC and finally at about 9:00 PM they got trackers in our cars. The 1931 tracker linked up immediately but the 1919 tracker did not. We were told (as we have been told in the past) " it will link it just takes a while" Wel it never did link up. At the starting line we again found the IRC People and they worked on our tracker right up to the start of the race. I hate the IRC system! When it works it's cool but unfortunately it is not reliable and has a long way to go. The Whole IRC debate has been covered many times over on many levels and forums so I won't go any further into that, " get used to it"
We do not even attempt to use the IRC system as any sort of tool in our race strategy and I would recommend the same to any team. So If the lack of IRC tracking cost you race then call them, don't bash us.
As for any un official comments for the SF-250, the only comments that I heard multiple times was "where did the 1905 car come" from because no one saw them all day long and no one saw the car pass the 1932 "X" car but They were on the podium 20 minutes before us. Anyway that's okay and we are very happy with a podium finish after having a late mechanical issue that could have very well taken us out of the race. And I also recall reading a congratulation go out to both the Winner and the second place finishers from Team JX.
Indeed we are going to need to "do our homework" for Baja Apparently a creative strategy is very helpful. BTW I heard that Marc is close friends with Roger Norman and gets to help mark the course for the Baja races?. If that's true please give us a call next time we would love to help. I think that could really be helpful when planning our strategy.
As for the Awards, Sorry if our team did not "acknowledge" your presence but the fact is that until then I have never really even formally met Marc Burnett. We had a brief and very cordial conversation and mutual accolades were exchanged. Sorry if this was not acceptable.
I'm really not sure how the Jagged X team managed to "get under your skin" so deeply but if you feel that any of our team has disrespected you or your team in the past I apologize. In fact we are all too well aware of the Bullseye that we carry with us.
We have had great success in UTV racing over the past 7 years. And I know that there are many teams gunning for us at every race. We simply try to bring our best game to every race our whole team works very hard to insure our success.
We try to present a professional and competitive team at every race. We hope that no one could ever question the integrity or sportsmanship of our team.
BS JX
So I thought I would check out the Mint Thread to see some great race reports and instead I come on to find a competitor bashing our team , So My first response was also WOW!.
I have read some of the BAM posts in the past and have just thought Huh.... this guy has a lot of time on his hands.
I do not spend too much time posting here but I feel compelled to respond to these comments that question the integrity of our team.
First to address the tracking issue: We checked in with IRC on Friday morning to pick up our trackers and IRC told us that they did not have trackers for our cars They did not have enough trackers but were working on the problem. We were told to check back with them later in the day. We communicated with IRC all day long and at the end of contingency they still did not have trackers for us. We were told that Casey would make an announcement at the drivers meeting to address this. At the end of the drivers meeting we went to Casey and told him that in fact we still did not have a trackers for either of our cars. Casey's comment was " that's not my problem" At that point we took it upon ourselves to track down IRC and finally at about 9:00 PM they got trackers in our cars. The 1931 tracker linked up immediately but the 1919 tracker did not. We were told (as we have been told in the past) " it will link it just takes a while" Wel it never did link up. At the starting line we again found the IRC People and they worked on our tracker right up to the start of the race. I hate the IRC system! When it works it's cool but unfortunately it is not reliable and has a long way to go. The Whole IRC debate has been covered many times over on many levels and forums so I won't go any further into that, " get used to it"
We do not even attempt to use the IRC system as any sort of tool in our race strategy and I would recommend the same to any team. So If the lack of IRC tracking cost you race then call them, don't bash us.
As for any un official comments for the SF-250, the only comments that I heard multiple times was "where did the 1905 car come" from because no one saw them all day long and no one saw the car pass the 1932 "X" car but They were on the podium 20 minutes before us. Anyway that's okay and we are very happy with a podium finish after having a late mechanical issue that could have very well taken us out of the race. And I also recall reading a congratulation go out to both the Winner and the second place finishers from Team JX.
Indeed we are going to need to "do our homework" for Baja Apparently a creative strategy is very helpful. BTW I heard that Marc is close friends with Roger Norman and gets to help mark the course for the Baja races?. If that's true please give us a call next time we would love to help. I think that could really be helpful when planning our strategy.
As for the Awards, Sorry if our team did not "acknowledge" your presence but the fact is that until then I have never really even formally met Marc Burnett. We had a brief and very cordial conversation and mutual accolades were exchanged. Sorry if this was not acceptable.
I'm really not sure how the Jagged X team managed to "get under your skin" so deeply but if you feel that any of our team has disrespected you or your team in the past I apologize. In fact we are all too well aware of the Bullseye that we carry with us.
We have had great success in UTV racing over the past 7 years. And I know that there are many teams gunning for us at every race. We simply try to bring our best game to every race our whole team works very hard to insure our success.
We try to present a professional and competitive team at every race. We hope that no one could ever question the integrity or sportsmanship of our team.
BS JX
I'd love some popcorn but I'm on a diet right now! I really like reading about the desert racing looks like the competition is heating up
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This might be the dumbest thing I have read here in a long time, well next to someone saying that Jagged X is anythign less than professional and respected.... lol
I respect your opinion but to say that wining or podium placing at The Mint is not impressive is so stupid its laughable.
The UTVs had the EXACT same attrition rate as Trophy Trucks! 50%! With the course deteriorating and the amount of machines to contend with... come on.. I get it, we all would like to see UTVs get the full 4 and really make it a challenge, but to say its nothing to brag about? Were you even there? BEcause it was the closest thing to Daytona or a super bowl this sport has. Not even the Baja 1000 felt like the Mint did this year.
I am all for everyone voicing their opinons, and not everyone has to like everything I say either, but I think your comments not only discredit the guys who did podium, it also discredits the 26 racers that fought their asses off to finish!
I got another one for you.. I bet the UTVs end up with more TV time in the 2 hour documentary Mad Media does on this race (not the red bull signature show as that is for unlimited only) then all of the SCORE races combined this year! ANOTHER reason why this race is the biggest desert race all year for UTVs.. 2 laps or 10 laps..
Joey I did not mean to hurt feelings and after re-reading it I can see how some will take it that way. I 100% congratulate anyone who not only won this race, but I congratulate all the finishers. Look at my previous post prior to the race. I wished everyone a great race and hoped for a high finishing rate. What I'm saying is I feel the UTV's and 80% of the other classes who get short changed the actual advertized mileage of the race. It disappoints me because I grew up going to the Mint when my Grandfather raced. I'm a 3rd generation off-road racer and I understand the history & importance in a race. I just feel that is diluted when you short change all but the top few top classes. Off-road racing was and still is about endurance. This race was not about endurance, unless you think 200 miles is the most the UTV's should be racing?
I am actually surprised Polaris is OK with this as they spent a lot of money sponsoring this event.
For me, racing this Mint and only getting to run 1/2 the distance is not winning the Mint 400. Sorry, its just not. What they need to do is take the 400 off the name and call the race the Mint. Then if you race 200 , 300 or 400 miles you are the winner of the Mint. Not the Mint 400 with only going 200 miles.
So once again I'm sorry if my comments looked like I was diminishing or taking away the fact that Jagged X won and Marc came in second. A race is a race no matter how long the distance.
Polaris is not only happy, they are pumped! 50 UTVs +/- in attendance, the best TV package in off-road that actually includes UTVs, a promotor in Mad Media that has vested interest in the growth of the UTV class, and on and on and on... Ill tell you what, Can-Am, Kawasaki, Arctic Cat, John Deere and even Yamaha should be pumped on the Mint! They were all pretty well represented.
Again, its a bummer that not everyone can do the full 4, but it is what it is for now.. I know The Mint 400 staff do want to get everyone the full 4, they do, trust me, I work with them DAILY and have personally sat in on the conversations. BUT with that said, when you look at the attrition rate after 2 laps I think what UTVs got was not only adequate but it was proof that even at 2 laps this race is no walk in the park! With that said, another lap or 2 would really shake things up, and we are all for that but it will need to come with time. This isn't some push of the button situation. Its timing in the day, its safety, its BLM!! Its not just Mad Media / The Mint 400 staff.
With that said, the fact that they did 200 of the 400 at THE MINT 400 at the end of the day should not mean squat other than they either won, placed or finished THE MINT! The MINT is what The Baja is, is what Dayton is, is what the Super Bowl is.... its more than a race, and to win it against all of the best of the best is an accomplishment....
Again, its a bummer that not everyone can do the full 4, but it is what it is for now.. I know The Mint 400 staff do want to get everyone the full 4, they do, trust me, I work with them DAILY and have personally sat in on the conversations. BUT with that said, when you look at the attrition rate after 2 laps I think what UTVs got was not only adequate but it was proof that even at 2 laps this race is no walk in the park! With that said, another lap or 2 would really shake things up, and we are all for that but it will need to come with time. This isn't some push of the button situation. Its timing in the day, its safety, its BLM!! Its not just Mad Media / The Mint 400 staff.
With that said, the fact that they did 200 of the 400 at THE MINT 400 at the end of the day should not mean squat other than they either won, placed or finished THE MINT! The MINT is what The Baja is, is what Dayton is, is what the Super Bowl is.... its more than a race, and to win it against all of the best of the best is an accomplishment....
I will 100% back JX on the IRC....I was behind them in line at IRC and heard the whole conversation, and the same was said about ours, none available! Same thing for Casey after DM, except he said 1st I am hearing of this. Found IRC about 930, nothing. IRC found us at 5:15am and put in our IRC on site very fast. It took until right at start to link up with was over an hour from the time they started.
Not taking sides, but I wanted to state JX was 100% there trying to get online and installed like I was.
Not taking sides, but I wanted to state JX was 100% there trying to get online and installed like I was.
My hats off to the whole Jagged X team! Their success, combined with their overall presence and sportsmanship is second to none. This team went out of their way to assist with some technical issues that I had during the race. I had no support at remote pit 1. Although Jaggeds cars were through pit 1 on lap 2, their chase team stayed late to ensure that I had the spare tire that they swapped from wheel to wheel for me.
Another special thanks to Team Jean, and Paul Hart for lending me one of their spares to go on to a solid top 10 finish!
In regards to safety and what classes are allowed to run in our race...... I'll be seeing a chiropractor and replacing parts of my car from what I would call an extremely unprofessional nerfing that I took from what appeared to be a trophy truck sized pre-runner. I'm guessing they hit us going 20 mph faster than we were traveling with no warning, no sirens, ect. It was dangerous, costly, inconsiderate, and disrespectful. If I knew who this driver was I would have no problem engaging in a professional discussion about safety and respect of other racers.
Thanks to UTV Inc, Lonestar Racing, Fox, ITP, PRP, Rigid, PCI!
Another special thanks to Team Jean, and Paul Hart for lending me one of their spares to go on to a solid top 10 finish!
In regards to safety and what classes are allowed to run in our race...... I'll be seeing a chiropractor and replacing parts of my car from what I would call an extremely unprofessional nerfing that I took from what appeared to be a trophy truck sized pre-runner. I'm guessing they hit us going 20 mph faster than we were traveling with no warning, no sirens, ect. It was dangerous, costly, inconsiderate, and disrespectful. If I knew who this driver was I would have no problem engaging in a professional discussion about safety and respect of other racers.
Thanks to UTV Inc, Lonestar Racing, Fox, ITP, PRP, Rigid, PCI!
